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What is the Best Method For Building A Small Cabin Foundation?

On a scale of 1 – 10: How critical do you think the cabin foundation is? 

Today let’s look at an incredible economical and effective method for building a cabin foundation.

This method is proven to give you an excellent thermal break from the cold, last the lifetime of the cabin and will allow you to keep your home rock solid and level forever. 

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Previously we began to lay out the footings to prepare for what lay ahead today.

You can can check out that post here: Hidden Secrets For How To Build The Perfect Level Foundation

Today we finish the footings, beams and begin to frame the floor joist and finally get an idea of just how “cozy” our 20ft X 24ft cabin is really going to be.

Finishing The Footings

We leveled the 12 spots on the ground with 2 bags each of crusher dust were the 24″ X 24″ cement pads will go. On top of those cement pads we will place 8″ cinder blocks side by side and place the quadrupled beams on top of those. Initially we used 4 cinder blocks on each pad (2 on top of 2) but we found that was a little too high to our liking.

Leveling the ground with sand (crusher dust)

Getting the ground perfectly level is critical in ensuring the remainder of the structure is level, won’t shift, and allows for every beam, board and joist to line up perfectly.

Leveling the footings

My Wife helping level out the ground. Nothing better than including the whole family in our cabin build 🙂

Leveling out the foundation

Below: Laying out some lumber to ensure the pads are all the same height.

Laying out the of grid cabin foundation

Setting the foundation pads

Off Grid Cabin Footers

Footing placement for cabin foundations

The Floor Beams

We used 16ft 2×8’s quadruped up to make up the three main beams that will support the floor joist.

Below: These are the 9 footings that will support the three main support beams.

Beam and footing

Placing the Off Grid Cabin Floor beams

Laying out the beams for the off grid cabin foundation

Completed Beams for off gric cabin foundation

Leveling the beams and foundation

Beams and Footings

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Front Deck Footings

3 more pads will be placed between the floor joist and the tent in order to support the 3 6 X 6 posts for the front deck.
You can see we reduced the height by one cinder block on each pad and separated the beams from the cement with a few pieces of pressure treated wood.

Bellow: These are the footings we will use for the three 6X6 PT beams that will support the front deck.

Footing

Off Grid Cabin Footer Block

The Floor Joist

We used 2 X 6 16″ on center for the floor joist and we will top the floor with 3/4″ tongue and groove OSB. On top of that we will put down 1/2 pink Styrofoam sheets to act as a thermal break and then top that with 1/2 OSB.

Starting the floor joist

Laying out the floor joist

Getting the Floor joists all cut

off grid cabin floor joist boards

Starting the floor joist for the off grid cabin

Joist framing almost complete

Basic framing for floor joist

Completed the basic framing for the floor joist.

Finished the cabin floor joist           Finishing up the floor joist framing

A sneak peek at the size of that patio left us grinning at the end of another long day!
The front deck will be 20ft long and 8ft wide and have 3 large 6″ X 6″ posts used to support the front edge of the steel roof.

Joist off grid cabin complete

Foundation Complete

Next time, we’ll will finish up the floor joist, put in the three 6×6 PT front deck posts, complete the floor joist and ensure the entire foundation is level and square before we put down the first layer of OSB. Make sure you’re subscribed and share our build with the people you care about!

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17 Comments

  1. Mike C. January 8, 2017 at 10:34 pm - Reply

    What is the frost depth in your area?? You mite of used sono-tubes with rebar. Did you check cross angle of the box frame?? Suggest you use foil-buble-wrap over the 3/4 OSB sub flooring, the pink insulation attracts ants and other critters. If the flooring will be exposed to the weather for a wile, use driveway sealer to roll on top of the OSB, so it don’t swell up from rain. Use strapping to anchor the walls to the outer box sill, and brackets on the top plate of the walls to the roof rafters. Good Luck.

    • theoffgridcabin January 21, 2017 at 1:20 pm - Reply

      Hey there Mike! Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your expertise.

      So, the reason we went with our above ground footing design, and not digging 4-6 ft holes with sono-tubes filled with concrete, is…

      1. Time: We had only a 2 week period to build the cabin from start to finish and went with the fastest method that was still safe, effective and proven. Digging holes, mixing concrete and waiting for it to set would take days we did not have. We had all the building material dropped off the same day the build site was stripped by excavator and the 14 day clock to get the entire cabin framed, closed in and weather proof was started.

      2. Location: We had the excavator for one day only in order to clear the land then it was gone (partly because of the load restrictions on the roads here in winter, partly because it was needed elsewhere, partly for cost reasons). The rocks underground where we are located are massive granite boulders (and without that excavator, it would not be possible to move them by hand along or by using post-hole diggers. An 8 cubic foot boulder (2ft x 2ft x 2ft) weighs 1200lbs. A boulder 27 cubic foot weighs 4320lbs! Unfortunately that’s exactly what we have right here.

      3. Cost: We were able to save the cost of the tubes, footings, heavy equipment, and concrete putting those expenses into other parts of the build.

      4. Ease: Honestly, it took a morning to get everything squared away and level and we were building. My father used to build houses in Pangnirtung Nunavut and this is how they did it then. Those homes are still there 50 year later.

      5. Maintenance: I ensure the cabin is level every few months all the way around AND plumb. If for any reason it isn’t (that hasn’t happened yet) then it’s very easy to slip a car jack under that position and fix it (sand, pressure treated wood, cement block…etc)

      The pink foam is sandwiched between two layers of plywood and end capped all the way around.
      I think you’ll see the use of the top plate brackets in the following posts on rafters. We also used hurricane ties up top even though that’s total over kill where we are.

      The next cabin we build there will be far less time constraints, now that I’m retired, and I would consider using sono-tubes and concrete to compare the process.

      Thanks again for chiming in Mike!!

      Steve

  2. Andrew January 19, 2017 at 12:02 pm - Reply

    Thanks for posting. I am not judging you, just making comparisons to what I have researched thus far for my future build. I too was wondering why you didn’t use tubes with rebar. It looks like you have plenty of water near by to mix your pour. I am curious though…what is anchoring the cabin to the ground?

    • theoffgridcabin January 21, 2017 at 1:23 pm - Reply

      Andrew,

      Hey, I actually just replied to Mike’s comment re the same sort of thing here.
      I hope that explains exactly why we built our foundation the way we did and if you have any more questions at all please fire away.

      Thanks for asking your questions Andrew and we’re thrilled you are doing research BEFORE moving ahead. I’ve gotten too many emails and comments from people saying they started… and “Now what?” Good on you!

      Cheers!

      Steve

  3. Levi Power February 26, 2017 at 1:47 pm - Reply

    I am planning on building an off grid cabin rhat will be 16 by 24. In manitoba. Harsh winters. Can I use this method of foundation for such a cabin

    • theoffgridcabin February 26, 2017 at 3:15 pm - Reply

      Hey there Levi!

      Great to hear you’re building an off grid cabin as well.

      Yes you can definitely use this method in harsh winter environments. In fact, our cabin is located less than 1Km from the Atlantic Ocean coastline and we get some bitter cold winds hitting us quite frequently. Provided you have good insulation and heat source, we find the wood-foam-wood thermal break works very well.

      We also laid down a hardwood floor (from Costco) that probably doesn’t contribute to the insulation factor much but helps retain the heat once the cabin is at a good temperature.

      The “ONLY” issue we’ve experienced (our fault) was when we left a memory foam mattress directly on the floor while we were gone (and the heat off). When we came back and heated up the cabin, we forgot to lift the mattress off the floor and the temperature change created humidity between the mattress and the floor. Nothing major but a point to remember. Now we’re installing a Murphy bed to prevent such an issue in the future and to save space.

      I lived in Portage La Prairie 2004 when I first began my military flying career and again from 2009-2010 while attending helicopter flight training. I can definitely vouch for those frigid winters on the prairies!

      Best of luck with the cabin and do keep us in the loop as you progress!

      Cheers!

      Steve

  4. Guy Lavoie April 9, 2017 at 10:14 pm - Reply

    Hi there, we build our 16×24 cabin the same way, except for the foam layer, we just put osb floor like you. We put a floating fool and a thin foam layer after, and we dont have any issue. I will keep reading, mine is in north coast of Quebec. we close the kit in 3 days

  5. Niall April 26, 2017 at 10:15 pm - Reply

    I’m doing a 10×15 got some good info here thanks guys

  6. CJ Harkins June 22, 2017 at 4:13 pm - Reply

    What kind brand footings did you use? I am finding it hard to fins any footings that will take a 6×6. Thanks!

  7. malissa November 7, 2017 at 1:43 pm - Reply

    i need to know if i need to dig footer trenches if i m planing on a second floor everything ive seen so far says yes i think just concrete post would be easier for me cause i have no help. but i think i need trenches what do u think please need to know asap

    • theoffgridcabin November 14, 2017 at 12:20 pm - Reply

      Hey there Malissa! Great question 🙂

      The choice of using a footer trench depends primarily on the ground type, how level it is (0…10… 20… 30 degree slope), availability and cost of related materials, and whether you intend to hire a professional building service contractor or to do it the work yourself.

      If you hire a professional building service contractor, your choice of foundation options are fairly wide.
      If you do everything yourself (like me), here are some typical basic options for constructing your small cabin foundation:

      -Prefabricated concrete blocks (precast piers)

      -Poured Concrete

      -Stone

      -Pressure Treated Timber

      -Posts (locked in concrete or sono tubes)

      -Concrete pads with cinder-block on sand/crusher (this is our design)

      You’ll find out MORE about our specific foundation type here..

      http://theoffgridcabin.com/hidden-secrets-for-how-to-build-the-perfect-level-foundation/

      Also… here’s some small cabin guidelines I have shared with people in the past… (yes this does include 2-story cabins)

      -If the ground is rocky OR there are a lot of tree roots underground, digging holes (for posts) may be a problem.

      -If the ground has a small slope, you may be able to compensate with different-sized, or additional blocks, or raise the ground level on one side by laying gravel.

      -If the ground has a fairly steep slope, you will need to use posts or raise a wall from concrete blocks on low-level side.

      -It is not recommended to place concrete blocks directly on the ground, unless it is bare solid rock. Blocks should be placed on a flat rock/slab and/or gravel, and be well leveled. (this is what we did as we are on very compacted grey clay)

      -Make sure any gravel is well compressed. Otherwise it will settle later and skew your cabin structure.

      -One of the advantages of using concrete blocks is that over time, some blocks may settle more than others. This can be fixed by slightly lifting one side of the cabin with a car jack and shimming the blocks with flat stone, ceramic tile, etc.

      -If using posts, they normally should be dug into the ground deep enough to firmly hold their load and below the freezing level. The freezing level depends on your geographical zone. Generally, you should dig the post at least 4 ft deep.

      -If pillars or posts are not dug deep enough (i.e., above the frost line), this may cause warping or movement within the structure over time as moisture in the ground freezes and thaws. Cabin structure warping can lead to cracked windows, skewed doors, etc.

      -If a post cannot be dug into the ground, another option is to place it into a concrete footing or a concrete (deck) block. However – very important – this can only be done on some (1 or 2) support points. Posts that are not secured deeply will not withstand horizontal forces. Other supports points (posts/blocks) that can withstand these forces must be firmly mounted.

      -When placing posts into the ground, it is recommended to use concrete footing, at least in the top half. Sono tubes are supposed to be even better options, but they require more concrete, are more labor-intensive and cost more money as a result.

      -Poured concrete is an applicable option only on a well-leveled ground. However, it is also a more expensive and more labor-intensive option.

      -For posts you can use prefabricated pressure-treated 4″x4″ or 6″x6″ posts, or wooden posts formed using tree trunks. (You can paint them with oil paint first for better protection).

      Sometimes the best option is to place the entire structure on a set of two double support beams (sometimes called girders). This is especially useful on unlevel ground, when used in conjunction with posts. Use two (or more) double-sets of 2″x10″ or 2″x12″ beams. (Keep in mind that beams add height to the cabin floor – your small cabin will look and feel “raised”).

      Hope this helps you a bit in your planning. Feel free to ask any more questions along the way!

      Cheers!

      Steve

  8. malissa November 7, 2017 at 1:45 pm - Reply

    oh also forgot to say the ground is slightly uneven so thats why i felt like i needed to build footers plus second floor

  9. Mike G March 28, 2018 at 9:51 pm - Reply

    Gents, great info for an amateur building a small cabin in the Maine Woods! Starting at the beginning of this series of notes, I was wondering how the 2×6 floor joists are secured to the 3 quad beams that form the base of the foundation…is it by weight/gravity, or are there straps that are used to keep the joist frame securely in place over the 3 quad beams?

    • theoffgridcabin June 18, 2018 at 10:03 am - Reply

      Hey Mike, just wanted to get back with you regarding the floor joist set-up in case you didn’t catch in future posts. The entire system is a floating design. Because we didn’t go with a traditional solid foundation (concrete pier) or a concrete slab/crawlspace/basement the footings will shift “minimally” with changes in seasonal temps. With the joists “floating” on the beams this allows us to shim the individual sections that “may” require it as the building settles over time. I’m going to write up a post showing how I check for lever each spring/fall and how I level each pad if required. It’s incredibly simple, quick and effective.

  10. David May 31, 2018 at 4:18 pm - Reply

    Where’s the rest of the cabin build at?

    • theoffgridcabin June 18, 2018 at 9:45 am - Reply

      Hey David. Simply click the top of your browser where it says BLOG. I’ve made a dedicated drop down menu that allows you to select “Building The Cabin” and you can see every phase of the cabin build we’ve completed so far 🙂

      Cheers!

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